Posted on: May 15, 2010 10:27 am

Knocking elitst message board fans...

Okay, I like to have good natured jibes at some of the Big East schools... (hey, I'll admit it, if USM could get in there, while Louisville was there, I'd be a happy camper.).. but I usually stay off limits when it comes to the fans.

But now... oh, you guys have really opened the flood gates, particularly those of you at the ncaabbs boards... because I'm about to blast some schools fans (although I know of one cool Louisville fan on BigGoldNation's message board.).

I'm gonna have to paraphrase here, as I don't have the exact quotes to recopy, so I may get a few things here or there wrong.

I can understand the use of sarcasm and cynicism... but you BE fans truly do take the cake when it comes to elitism. 

There was a long going discussion at one point, of "If the BE is raided, who do we bring in to keep the conference up?".  Now let's not forget that the BE hasn't lost their AQ status.. and with the teams that were on the 'threat list" (Pitt, Rutgers, UConn and Syracuse...) would you guys explain to me why you would still lose your status?  The reason I ask is that Syracuse hasn't been a football threat in forever... The other three, okay, they're flirting with the 30's and 40's repeatedly. 

So you bring in a UCF, ECU.. fine  .. Memphis?  Not so much (80's to 100's.. okay, maybe a good substitue for Syracuse).

One of the 'reasonable' arguments against USM (who I had been hoping for AQ promotion, but not to the Big East as you'll see.) was their markets... (to me, the more reasonable argument against USM was geography... we're even a distance from UCF and USF (if UCF is selected).   We'd be the island university.

but the vitiriol from the fans was "You're not worthy of consideration!  What have you done!  You'd be valued lower than Temple"  (the temple who was ranked 108th as of three years ago, and had a high of 80 ranking last year.).    Well, okay, we're not "good enough for you guys in the Big East..."

This vitriol was coming from candidates for the Big East as well as certain fans of BE teams (In particularly the Appalachian guys.. Lville and WV).

Then the rumour comes out that now the Big-12 is now going to be looking to replace their loss teams.    And the one key statement that came out was .. "We're not looking to expand in current states"; So Houston, TCU, Rice, etc. are outta luck... even though I think a few texas teams would be good add-ons, particulary Houston and TCU.  But I can understand why the B12 doesn't want already existing state teams.

But i'm getting sidetracked...

Guess who's now saying they should be considered for the Big-12 expansion?    Oh wait, that couldn't be fans of Memphis, Lville, WV, etc.?    Why yes, yes it could be!   It appears that they all want to move on to "greener" pastures... wait.. wait the Big East (even without those four (PLUS ECU and UCF) aren't good enough for you guys?   But apparently USM isn't even good enough for that conference... talk about a double slam.

So I really really want to point something out to the Big-East and the "want to be big easterners'...

There's something you should notice about the Big-12 universities (including the soon to be "Ex-B12 univerisities".)

Texas, TexA&M, TTech, Ok, OkSt, Neb, Missouri,  IaSt, Kansas, KState, Colorado, Baylor.

Other than Baylor does anyone notice what kind of universities we have?   State flagship universities...   So let's take a look at some of the barb-throwers.

Memphis.. uhm... Tennessee flagship ?  Nope. that'd be Tennessee
(and no, Memphis, noting that your originall school name of "Memphis State University" does not make you an actual state flagship... it just makes us wonder about your geography skills.)

Louisville.. uhm... Kentucky flagship?  Nope.. that'd be Kentucky

W. Virg... okay, I'll give you WV.

Cincinnati???   Nope... that'd be Ohio State .

So outside of West Virginia... that's strike one...    Does that mean that USM is at an advantage?   Of course not.. but it feels good to say... Hey guys, this time, you dont' look like you're "good enough" for a conference... so just keep dreamin' kids!

Is it spiteful?  Probably... but you know what?  After reading all the vitriol you guys threw at my school.. it feels good to say "You're just not good enoughj"   Besides, I thought the Big East was a very good thing, and would be just _fine_ with decent replacement candidates?  (okay, now watch the big-12 prove me wrong, and I'll have to eat a LOT of crow by offering Memphis a slot...)

Posted on: September 18, 2009 3:39 pm

The Bell Tolls for C-USA

Versus Versus

I found a story yesterday via my Golden Eagles board that kind of has me conflicted...    It's about the Memphis Tigers who are looking to get out of C-USA and into a BCS conference.

Basically, according to the Commercial Appeal the Memphis tigers paid for hte services of former Big East commissioner Mike Tranghese to get into the Big East.    At first I sat back and understood where they were going.  They want to be in a BCS.  Understandable.  They're getting no competiion from C-USA in Basketball (basically, carrying the entire conference on their shoulders), so they need to find a conference in which they don't get gypped by the rest of the league.   (No offense, Tulsa, you're the 2nd best in the conference (IMO), but you've got a way to go to get any Basketball cred in terms of crowds.)

Being a USM fan, i figured okay, I can understand this choice... They're wanting to have a chance to play for a BCS title, as well as not lose out with their Basketball program.

Let's face it.. right now, the only claim to fame that C-USA has is their Baseball roster (Rice, USM, ECU, etc. have carried the mantle well in that department.), and a few upsets so far for football.  (You dont know how happy I was to see OSU lose to HOuston, and I'm a Cowboy fan...)

There have been talks for a while about the BE picking up somebody (USM fans have hoped it's been them for a while... but I'll get to that later).    So again, anyone jumping ship would have been the right move.  (Although how TCU did it was downright underhanded IMO...  You dont' sign with one conference, when you've got a backdoor deal already in play for another conference years down the road.)   Memphis brings enough basketball prowess to fit right in... football.. well, they didn't do themselves any favors over the past two weeks.

They played #8 (at the time) Ole Miss.. and I don't think they broke 30000 in attendance.  (might have been 31K, not sure), then they blew the game against MTSU.    I know, I know.. wins/losses don't matter as much as demographics... But again, how many people attended the MTSU game?    How many are going to attend if they keep losing?    They think it's enough to sell the Big Easst, I guess (and everyone KNOWS the BE is going to expand, considering that they're in danger of losing their AQ status to the MWC and/or WAC.)

However, as I said, I could only hope that USM decided to join a BCS, but then I saw the following statement, in fact, another article from the WV Gazette suggested bringing in Southern Miss, East Carolina, Memphis and Houston (no mention of Marshall?  strange).   I dunno how well that works in terms of travel itinerary, but it would give them some serious oomph in the football name brand., although it only really adds one "contender" in the basketball world.   

So it seems that public opinion has no problem with Memphis jumping ship to the Big East... again, I can't blame them if they went specifically to that conference.     But then I saw this ... in which the AD director states flat out..

“Quite honestly, the truth of the matter is the lifelong dream of Memphis is to get in the SEC,” Johnson said Thursday in a phone interview. “We’re surrounded by SEC country. When Arkansas got in Memphis thought they were going to get in.”"
So now you're applying to get into the Big East, but your dream is to be invited into the SEC?   So what do you tell the Big East if the SEC were to come calling around?

“I told him, ‘It’s simple. There are six BCS conferences. Get us in one,’” Johnson said. Congrats memphis..way to piss off one of your suitors.   Even USM hasn't been THAT stupid to any of the conferences (of course, I'm thinking our AD is an idiot for not even TRYING to relocate.. "All is well".   *Sigh*

Of course, even though the consultant that was hired said he can't promise that, I'd wager that in the next 6 months after football season is over, Memphis will be a member of the Big East, and Houston, Tulsa, ECU and Souther Miss are going to be struggling to find something that will get them a shot at a BCS tourney.  

And in the process, Conference-USA will fall by the wayside.. even if it's just Memphis that jumps, and they're looking to do it sooner rather than later.  So long C-USA it was nice knowing you while we were around.

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