Posted on: May 15, 2010 10:27 am

Knocking elitst message board fans...

Okay, I like to have good natured jibes at some of the Big East schools... (hey, I'll admit it, if USM could get in there, while Louisville was there, I'd be a happy camper.).. but I usually stay off limits when it comes to the fans.

But now... oh, you guys have really opened the flood gates, particularly those of you at the ncaabbs boards... because I'm about to blast some schools fans (although I know of one cool Louisville fan on BigGoldNation's message board.).

I'm gonna have to paraphrase here, as I don't have the exact quotes to recopy, so I may get a few things here or there wrong.

I can understand the use of sarcasm and cynicism... but you BE fans truly do take the cake when it comes to elitism. 

There was a long going discussion at one point, of "If the BE is raided, who do we bring in to keep the conference up?".  Now let's not forget that the BE hasn't lost their AQ status.. and with the teams that were on the 'threat list" (Pitt, Rutgers, UConn and Syracuse...) would you guys explain to me why you would still lose your status?  The reason I ask is that Syracuse hasn't been a football threat in forever... The other three, okay, they're flirting with the 30's and 40's repeatedly. 

So you bring in a UCF, ECU.. fine  .. Memphis?  Not so much (80's to 100's.. okay, maybe a good substitue for Syracuse).

One of the 'reasonable' arguments against USM (who I had been hoping for AQ promotion, but not to the Big East as you'll see.) was their markets... (to me, the more reasonable argument against USM was geography... we're even a distance from UCF and USF (if UCF is selected).   We'd be the island university.

but the vitiriol from the fans was "You're not worthy of consideration!  What have you done!  You'd be valued lower than Temple"  (the temple who was ranked 108th as of three years ago, and had a high of 80 ranking last year.).    Well, okay, we're not "good enough for you guys in the Big East..."

This vitriol was coming from candidates for the Big East as well as certain fans of BE teams (In particularly the Appalachian guys.. Lville and WV).

Then the rumour comes out that now the Big-12 is now going to be looking to replace their loss teams.    And the one key statement that came out was .. "We're not looking to expand in current states"; So Houston, TCU, Rice, etc. are outta luck... even though I think a few texas teams would be good add-ons, particulary Houston and TCU.  But I can understand why the B12 doesn't want already existing state teams.

But i'm getting sidetracked...

Guess who's now saying they should be considered for the Big-12 expansion?    Oh wait, that couldn't be fans of Memphis, Lville, WV, etc.?    Why yes, yes it could be!   It appears that they all want to move on to "greener" pastures... wait.. wait the Big East (even without those four (PLUS ECU and UCF) aren't good enough for you guys?   But apparently USM isn't even good enough for that conference... talk about a double slam.

So I really really want to point something out to the Big-East and the "want to be big easterners'...

There's something you should notice about the Big-12 universities (including the soon to be "Ex-B12 univerisities".)

Texas, TexA&M, TTech, Ok, OkSt, Neb, Missouri,  IaSt, Kansas, KState, Colorado, Baylor.

Other than Baylor does anyone notice what kind of universities we have?   State flagship universities...   So let's take a look at some of the barb-throwers.

Memphis.. uhm... Tennessee flagship ?  Nope. that'd be Tennessee
(and no, Memphis, noting that your originall school name of "Memphis State University" does not make you an actual state flagship... it just makes us wonder about your geography skills.)

Louisville.. uhm... Kentucky flagship?  Nope.. that'd be Kentucky

W. Virg... okay, I'll give you WV.

Cincinnati???   Nope... that'd be Ohio State .

So outside of West Virginia... that's strike one...    Does that mean that USM is at an advantage?   Of course not.. but it feels good to say... Hey guys, this time, you dont' look like you're "good enough" for a conference... so just keep dreamin' kids!

Is it spiteful?  Probably... but you know what?  After reading all the vitriol you guys threw at my school.. it feels good to say "You're just not good enoughj"   Besides, I thought the Big East was a very good thing, and would be just _fine_ with decent replacement candidates?  (okay, now watch the big-12 prove me wrong, and I'll have to eat a LOT of crow by offering Memphis a slot...)

Posted on: September 25, 2009 5:08 pm
Edited on: September 25, 2009 5:11 pm

Polls = Poppycock

After reading Doyle's "article" about the 'overrating' of teams due to their conference in early polls, I have one question for Mr. Doyle.. Did you have a vote in the AP poll and if you did, can we ask where you ranked the Rebels?

That being said, Mr. Doyle brought up some points that were obvious to most fans of college football that seem to be a "revelation" To other sportswriters.     Polls are OPINIONS nothing more.  So why is it that a National Championship based on sports reporters "opinions" more relevant than Joe Q Public? 

Let's point out a few points.

AP Polls   Most reporters based on the east coast, don't keep up with west coast games.    Think about it.   If Oregon/Washington dont' finish until midnight central time, that means it's 1 a.m. on the east coast, and most reporters are under deadlines to get their articles completed, so they see about the same as Joe Public.. Highlights.  That's their grading criteria more often than not.

Conference "priority" :   Why is it that a Big-10 team is given higher credentials than an MWC team?   Why is a SEC team given priority over a C-USA team?  History.    Would any reporter explain to me why what happened 4 or 5 years ago is relevant to this season?

Recruiting grades:    I know , i know.. these are the kids from high-school who are "all-stars".   Most high recruits usually get the priviledge of a redshirt season... So they don't even fit into an equation the following year.   But I hear "University X" had a top 20 recruiting class.. based on what?  Stats from teens who may or may not have reached their physical development?

The one thing the BCS did right... they don't count the polls until Week 6 (i Think it's 6) into their calculations.   But a few things get to get straightened up.   But why is it that an Oklahoma loses to a (then undefeated) BYU...  but they only drop from 3 to 13, and since BYU was beaten handily by Florida State, they haven't dropped below 2-1 FLorida State?    (still unranked, with Oklahoma still a top 10 team).  WHat has Oklahoma done to prove that their record (BYU - L , Idaho State/Tulsa - W) is more valid than FLorida state (Miami - L, BYU/Jacksonville STate - W).

What happened to proving something with wins/losses rather than sportswriter's opinions?  When the BCS dropped a couple of ranking systems from their formula, did it not seem suspicious that the polls dropped were ones based on wins, losses, and statistics, and not one of the opinion polls (reporters or coaches?)    Name one coach that has time to keep up with _ALL_ 120 Division 1-A teams in the country.

And this is what the BCS wants to base their mythical "national" champion on?    A small subset of public opinion?     Does anyone else see the problem with this?

Other than the team that wins the national championship the previous season, shouldn't the best teams be the ones with the fewest losses?    Did you know that at hte moment, there are exactly 25 teams in the nation that are undefeated .   (PDF still shows Ole Miss as undefeated, as it hasn't been updated yet).  Should these 25 teams not be the top 25 teams in the nation until they are defeated?    When you narrow down the undefeated teams, then you can argue about everyone underneath them... but until then 0 losses = best teams in the nation.

There is a way to fix this.. but of course, I can assure you it's not going to happen... because these schools want their "BCS money".

Note: We are only including Football schools in this..

First:    We are going to allow polls, however, as you will see, they are very limited as to what they're involvement will be.
Second:   We are going to convert the entire country into 5 "super conferences"  of 24 teams per super conference... you can go to 6/20 if you wish.. it's up to you.

Each Super conference very simiilar to the NFL.. you'll have 2 Divisions, with 2 subdivisions.

East Conference:   First Division - sub conference a and B.   Secon division - Sub Conference A and B

You'll play your Sub-Conference teams (5 games), you'll play 2 teams from your B conference (rotating of course), and then you have to play the other two conferences that finished in the same position you did in the standings.  (so if you finished 3rd in East-First-A, you'll have to play the team that finished 3rd in East-2nd-A and East-2nd B).

That's 9 games... that will give you TWO OOC game that you're free to schedule as you wish... there's your 11 regular season games
If you decide to schedule a Jacksonville State, that's your business... if you think it's what you need to be "Impressive".

Now that we're done, now you've got 4 division champions determined...  A vs. B,  C vs. D..   Winners face off... that's 13 games to set your playoffs in motion.   Winner take all..

That gives you 5 conference champions... and NOW you can look to the polls

Take the 3 top ranked teams in your polls who didn't win their conference championship.. and throw them in there.   (If you go with 6 conferences, you only take the top 2 ranked teams)...  you now have your playoffs.    The conference champions with the best rankings get the top seeds of the playoffs, the ranked non-champs get slots 6. 7, and 8.

Now there are some cons in there...   How do you set up the conferences?  Geographically of course... YOu want something to talk about, you set up it as much as you can in geographics... Yes, some smaller schools are going to bring down some numbers, but you know what.. deal with it.  Treat it like a sport and not a business for once.... Here's an example (Feel free to move teams as you see necessary).

The Southern Superconference:

Alabama, Arkansas, Auburn, East Carolina, Florida, Georgia, Houston, Kentucky, La-Lafayette, La Tech, LA-Monroe, LSU, Marshall, Memphis, Mississippi, Mississippi State, South Carolina, Southern Methodist, Southern Mississippi, Tennessee, Troy, Tulane, UAB, Vanderbilt.

East:    Army, Boston College, Buffalo, Clemson, Connecticut, Duke, Florida Atlantic, Florida Int'l, Florida State, Georgia TEch, Louisville, Maryland, Miami Fla, Navy, North Carolina, NC STate, Pittsburgh, Rutgers, S Florida, Syracuse, UCF, Virginia, VIrginia Tech, Wake Forest

Midwest:    Air Force, Arkansas STate, Baylor, Cincinnati, Colorado, Col. St, Iowa State, Kansas, Kansas State, Middle Tennesee, Missouri, Nebraska, Rice, Okalahoma, Ok. State, Tulsa, TCU, Texas, Tex A&M, Tex. Tech, North Texas, West Virginia, W. Ky, Wyoming

Heartlands;    Akron, Ball State, Bowling Green, central Michicagn, E. Michigan, Illinois, Indiana, Iowa, Kent STate, Miami Ohio, Michigan, Michigan state, minnesota, N. Illinois, Northwestern, Notre Dame, Ohio, Ohio state, penn state, purdue, temple, toledo, W. Michigan, Wisconsin

West:   Arizona, Ariz. State, boise state, BYU, Cal, Fresno State, Hawaii, Idaho, Nevada, New Mexico state, Utah, ORgeon, Oregon State, New Mexico, San Jose State, USC, Stanford, SD state, UTEP, UCLA, UNLV, Utah State, Washington, Washington State

Let each region of the country find their 'champion'.. and then compete for the real National Champion...

Posted on: September 18, 2009 3:39 pm

The Bell Tolls for C-USA

Versus Versus

I found a story yesterday via my Golden Eagles board that kind of has me conflicted...    It's about the Memphis Tigers who are looking to get out of C-USA and into a BCS conference.

Basically, according to the Commercial Appeal the Memphis tigers paid for hte services of former Big East commissioner Mike Tranghese to get into the Big East.    At first I sat back and understood where they were going.  They want to be in a BCS.  Understandable.  They're getting no competiion from C-USA in Basketball (basically, carrying the entire conference on their shoulders), so they need to find a conference in which they don't get gypped by the rest of the league.   (No offense, Tulsa, you're the 2nd best in the conference (IMO), but you've got a way to go to get any Basketball cred in terms of crowds.)

Being a USM fan, i figured okay, I can understand this choice... They're wanting to have a chance to play for a BCS title, as well as not lose out with their Basketball program.

Let's face it.. right now, the only claim to fame that C-USA has is their Baseball roster (Rice, USM, ECU, etc. have carried the mantle well in that department.), and a few upsets so far for football.  (You dont know how happy I was to see OSU lose to HOuston, and I'm a Cowboy fan...)

There have been talks for a while about the BE picking up somebody (USM fans have hoped it's been them for a while... but I'll get to that later).    So again, anyone jumping ship would have been the right move.  (Although how TCU did it was downright underhanded IMO...  You dont' sign with one conference, when you've got a backdoor deal already in play for another conference years down the road.)   Memphis brings enough basketball prowess to fit right in... football.. well, they didn't do themselves any favors over the past two weeks.

They played #8 (at the time) Ole Miss.. and I don't think they broke 30000 in attendance.  (might have been 31K, not sure), then they blew the game against MTSU.    I know, I know.. wins/losses don't matter as much as demographics... But again, how many people attended the MTSU game?    How many are going to attend if they keep losing?    They think it's enough to sell the Big Easst, I guess (and everyone KNOWS the BE is going to expand, considering that they're in danger of losing their AQ status to the MWC and/or WAC.)

However, as I said, I could only hope that USM decided to join a BCS, but then I saw the following statement, in fact, another article from the WV Gazette suggested bringing in Southern Miss, East Carolina, Memphis and Houston (no mention of Marshall?  strange).   I dunno how well that works in terms of travel itinerary, but it would give them some serious oomph in the football name brand., although it only really adds one "contender" in the basketball world.   

So it seems that public opinion has no problem with Memphis jumping ship to the Big East... again, I can't blame them if they went specifically to that conference.     But then I saw this ... in which the AD director states flat out..

“Quite honestly, the truth of the matter is the lifelong dream of Memphis is to get in the SEC,” Johnson said Thursday in a phone interview. “We’re surrounded by SEC country. When Arkansas got in Memphis thought they were going to get in.”"
So now you're applying to get into the Big East, but your dream is to be invited into the SEC?   So what do you tell the Big East if the SEC were to come calling around?

“I told him, ‘It’s simple. There are six BCS conferences. Get us in one,’” Johnson said. Congrats memphis..way to piss off one of your suitors.   Even USM hasn't been THAT stupid to any of the conferences (of course, I'm thinking our AD is an idiot for not even TRYING to relocate.. "All is well".   *Sigh*

Of course, even though the consultant that was hired said he can't promise that, I'd wager that in the next 6 months after football season is over, Memphis will be a member of the Big East, and Houston, Tulsa, ECU and Souther Miss are going to be struggling to find something that will get them a shot at a BCS tourney.  

And in the process, Conference-USA will fall by the wayside.. even if it's just Memphis that jumps, and they're looking to do it sooner rather than later.  So long C-USA it was nice knowing you while we were around.

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